Comments on: A more level-headed rant about data-mining your’s and mine phone records. http://standardmischief.com/blog/2006/05/15/more-level-headed-rants-about-data-mining-yours-and-mine-phone-records/ Life. Liberty. Pursuit of Happiness. Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:42:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Chris Byrne http://standardmischief.com/blog/2006/05/15/more-level-headed-rants-about-data-mining-yours-and-mine-phone-records/comment-page-1/#comment-586 Chris Byrne Tue, 16 May 2006 05:32:46 +0000 http://standardmischief.com/?p=104#comment-586 A certain subset of what I do for a living is making thing like this sureveillance possible; so yes. The majority of what I do is good and useful; but the law says you have to provide the government with access to snoop. I dont much care for that part. A certain subset of what I do for a living is making thing like this sureveillance possible; so yes.

The majority of what I do is good and useful; but the law says you have to provide the government with access to snoop. I dont much care for that part.

]]> By: Standard Mischief http://standardmischief.com/blog/2006/05/15/more-level-headed-rants-about-data-mining-yours-and-mine-phone-records/comment-page-1/#comment-585 Standard Mischief Mon, 15 May 2006 23:52:08 +0000 http://standardmischief.com/?p=104#comment-585 <b>Chris Byrne Says:Again, this is what I do for a living. The reality on the ground is that this isn't illegal. Its immoral, unethical, against the spirit of our constitution and a million other bad things; but it's legal.</b> I probably misunderstood you here, but did you just say that what you do for a living is immoral, unethical, against the spirit of our constitution and a million other bad things? ;) j/k Chris Byrne Says:Again, this is what I do for a living. The reality on the ground is that this isn’t illegal. Its immoral, unethical, against the spirit of our constitution and a million other bad things; but it’s legal.

I probably misunderstood you here, but did you just say that what you do for a living is immoral, unethical, against the spirit of our constitution and a million other bad things? ;) j/k

]]> By: Standard Mischief http://standardmischief.com/blog/2006/05/15/more-level-headed-rants-about-data-mining-yours-and-mine-phone-records/comment-page-1/#comment-584 Standard Mischief Mon, 15 May 2006 19:18:13 +0000 http://standardmischief.com/?p=104#comment-584 <b>Saying that, assuming that is what they said which I kind of doubt having worked with no-such for a while; doesn't mean they think what they are doing is illegal; it means they don?t think they need a warrant and they dot want to set the precedent of going to the court to get one.</b> Or perhaps they risk the data that they already have from Verizon, AT&T, and Bellsouth, if the FISA court does not say yes. They would rather not ask, and get three quarters a loaf than risk the secret court and perhaps not even get crumbs. Saying that, assuming that is what they said which I kind of doubt having worked with no-such for a while; doesn’t mean they think what they are doing is illegal; it means they don?t think they need a warrant and they dot want to set the precedent of going to the court to get one.

Or perhaps they risk the data that they already have from Verizon, AT&T, and Bellsouth, if the FISA court does not say yes.
They would rather not ask, and get three quarters a loaf than risk the secret court and perhaps not even get crumbs.

]]> By: Chris Byrne http://standardmischief.com/blog/2006/05/15/more-level-headed-rants-about-data-mining-yours-and-mine-phone-records/comment-page-1/#comment-583 Chris Byrne Mon, 15 May 2006 18:42:54 +0000 http://standardmischief.com/?p=104#comment-583 Oh and on the "we dont want to go to FISA ebcause they might not say yes argument". Saying that, assumign that is what they said which I kind of doubt having worked with no-such for a while; doesnt mean they think what they are doing is illegal; it means they don't think they need a warrant and they dont want to set the precedent of going to the court to get one. If a precedent for a warrant were set, then they always WOULD need a warrant for the same type of intelligence from then on, or it could be challenged in court. THe NSA are absolutely brilliant at doing exactly what they can get away with, and nothing more. Oh and on the “we dont want to go to FISA ebcause they might not say yes argument”.

Saying that, assumign that is what they said which I kind of doubt having worked with no-such for a while; doesnt mean they think what they are doing is illegal; it means they don’t think they need a warrant and they dont want to set the precedent of going to the court to get one.

If a precedent for a warrant were set, then they always WOULD need a warrant for the same type of intelligence from then on, or it could be challenged in court.

THe NSA are absolutely brilliant at doing exactly what they can get away with, and nothing more.

]]> By: Chris Byrne http://standardmischief.com/blog/2006/05/15/more-level-headed-rants-about-data-mining-yours-and-mine-phone-records/comment-page-1/#comment-582 Chris Byrne Mon, 15 May 2006 18:39:28 +0000 http://standardmischief.com/?p=104#comment-582 Actually technically speaking the FBI didnt get warrants for carnivore (or wouldnt have had it been fully implemented). They could collect all the data they wanted, they just needed a warrant to use it. Again, this is what I do for a living. The reality on the ground is that this isn't illegal. Its immoral, unethical, against the spirit of our constitution and a million other bad things; but it's legal. We all know the beurocratic mentality; if it's legal and it's an advantage, use it. Actually technically speaking the FBI didnt get warrants for carnivore (or wouldnt have had it been fully implemented). They could collect all the data they wanted, they just needed a warrant to use it.

Again, this is what I do for a living. The reality on the ground is that this isn’t illegal. Its immoral, unethical, against the spirit of our constitution and a million other bad things; but it’s legal.

We all know the beurocratic mentality; if it’s legal and it’s an advantage, use it.

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