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	<title>Comments on: Health Care Apples And Oranges</title>
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		<title>By: Standard Mischief</title>
		<link>http://standardmischief.com/blog/2007/06/29/health-care-apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-16337</link>
		<dc:creator>Standard Mischief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;You realize that this is a uniquely un-democratic proposition, right? While on the surface it seems youâ€™re doing the opposite, youâ€™d actually be denying the taxpayers their right to have a say in how their tax dollars are spent. (In the vast majority of cases, the parents of a public school student pay only a very small fraction of the actual cost of their childâ€™s education. The property tax payers in their district â€” all of them â€” pay the bulk of it.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s all part of an Evil Plotâ„¢ to get you breeders to pay for your own damn kid&#039;s education, and not shift a major portion of that debt onto the childless among us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What we&#039;ll do is use the automatic improvements that are a direct result of the free market to privatize the school system, totally eliminating public schools altogether.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once that is destroyed, we&#039;ll peg the yearly voucher payments to a cost of living adjustment (COLA). Because the government &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.safehaven.com/article-1942.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;cooks the books&quot; on the official rate of inflation&lt;/a&gt;, the real buying power will slowly erode over the decades. Gradually, parents will come to understand that we no longer live in a subsistence farming economy and they need to make wise reproductive decisions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shhh, please don&#039;t spill the beans.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You realize that this is a uniquely un-democratic proposition, right? While on the surface it seems youâ€™re doing the opposite, youâ€™d actually be denying the taxpayers their right to have a say in how their tax dollars are spent. (In the vast majority of cases, the parents of a public school student pay only a very small fraction of the actual cost of their childâ€™s education. The property tax payers in their district â€” all of them â€” pay the bulk of it.)</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s all part of an Evil Plotâ„¢ to get you breeders to pay for your own damn kid&#8217;s education, and not shift a major portion of that debt onto the childless among us.</p>
<p>What we&#8217;ll do is use the automatic improvements that are a direct result of the free market to privatize the school system, totally eliminating public schools altogether.</p>
<p>Once that is destroyed, we&#8217;ll peg the yearly voucher payments to a cost of living adjustment (COLA). Because the government <a href="http://www.safehaven.com/article-1942.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;cooks the books&#8221; on the official rate of inflation</a>, the real buying power will slowly erode over the decades. Gradually, parents will come to understand that we no longer live in a subsistence farming economy and they need to make wise reproductive decisions.</p>
<p>Shhh, please don&#8217;t spill the beans.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://standardmischief.com/blog/2007/06/29/health-care-apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-16111</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Now despite the fact that heâ€™s willing to travel the world to sample the very best ideas in health care, in the very next sentence heâ€™s already got what he thinks is the perfect solution&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You may have &lt;i&gt;read&lt;/i&gt; that I think this would be a &quot;perfect solution,&quot; but I sure as hell didn&#039;t write it.  I do think, however, that there does have to be some level of government involvement/funding, or it can&#039;t work.  Health care is inherently expensive and is needed by everyone.  I just don&#039;t see any purely free market system that could provide adequate health care to, say, a single mom making $20k per year.

That&#039;s not to say that &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; government control / regulation is necessarily what&#039;s needed.  Just that &lt;i&gt;more intelligent&lt;/i&gt; government involvement is needed.  Here&#039;s a hint:  If you&#039;re going to have the government provide prescription medication, don&#039;t include industry protections that prevent that same government (and, by extension, the taxpayers) from negotiating for lower prices.

&lt;blockquote&gt;leaving the Social Security Administration with a pocket full of IOUs not worth the paper that they are printed on&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t tell that to the Bonds market, if I were you...  :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;So now that Iâ€™ve trashed tgirschâ€™s proposed system&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t say that you&#039;ve trashed anything, because I didn&#039;t even really &lt;i&gt;propose&lt;/i&gt; a system.  You focused in on &lt;i&gt;one narrow suggestion&lt;/i&gt; and assumed that I intended this to be a comprehensive plan.  I think it&#039;s pretty clear that I didn&#039;t.  I&#039;m totally open to suggestions, actually; I just want those suggestions to actually allow for universal health care (whether privately-funded, publicly-funded, or some combination thereof).

&lt;blockquote&gt;I will interject here that Iâ€™m a strong advocate of vouchers, and abolishing public schools altogether, letting the private schools compete with each other and cater to the educational wishes of their customers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You realize that this is a uniquely un-democratic proposition, right?  While on the surface it seems you&#039;re doing the opposite, you&#039;d actually be denying the taxpayers their right to have a say in how their tax dollars are spent.  (In the vast majority of cases, the parents of a public school student pay only a very small fraction of the actual cost of their child&#039;s education.  The property tax payers in their district -- all of them -- pay the bulk of it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now despite the fact that heâ€™s willing to travel the world to sample the very best ideas in health care, in the very next sentence heâ€™s already got what he thinks is the perfect solution</p></blockquote>
<p>You may have <i>read</i> that I think this would be a &#8220;perfect solution,&#8221; but I sure as hell didn&#8217;t write it.  I do think, however, that there does have to be some level of government involvement/funding, or it can&#8217;t work.  Health care is inherently expensive and is needed by everyone.  I just don&#8217;t see any purely free market system that could provide adequate health care to, say, a single mom making $20k per year.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that <i>more</i> government control / regulation is necessarily what&#8217;s needed.  Just that <i>more intelligent</i> government involvement is needed.  Here&#8217;s a hint:  If you&#8217;re going to have the government provide prescription medication, don&#8217;t include industry protections that prevent that same government (and, by extension, the taxpayers) from negotiating for lower prices.</p>
<blockquote><p>leaving the Social Security Administration with a pocket full of IOUs not worth the paper that they are printed on</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t tell that to the Bonds market, if I were you&#8230;  <img src='http://standardmischief.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>So now that Iâ€™ve trashed tgirschâ€™s proposed system</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that you&#8217;ve trashed anything, because I didn&#8217;t even really <i>propose</i> a system.  You focused in on <i>one narrow suggestion</i> and assumed that I intended this to be a comprehensive plan.  I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that I didn&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m totally open to suggestions, actually; I just want those suggestions to actually allow for universal health care (whether privately-funded, publicly-funded, or some combination thereof).</p>
<blockquote><p>I will interject here that Iâ€™m a strong advocate of vouchers, and abolishing public schools altogether, letting the private schools compete with each other and cater to the educational wishes of their customers.</p></blockquote>
<p>You realize that this is a uniquely un-democratic proposition, right?  While on the surface it seems you&#8217;re doing the opposite, you&#8217;d actually be denying the taxpayers their right to have a say in how their tax dollars are spent.  (In the vast majority of cases, the parents of a public school student pay only a very small fraction of the actual cost of their child&#8217;s education.  The property tax payers in their district &#8212; all of them &#8212; pay the bulk of it.)</p>
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